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MODEST MOUSE: A Mouse Divided Apr 29, 2004
By James Montgomery
Making the new Good News For People Who Love Bad News nearly
killed Modest Mouse—or at least made frontman Isaac Brock nearly kill
everyone around him. But there's that whole thing about that which
doesn't kill you, and it's proved true: It's the band's strongest record yet.
The city of Tallahassee is made
entirely of red bricks. The
spires and Gothic arches of
Florida State University, the
streets surrounding the capitol
building, the postcard-perfect
downtown shops. All
crimson and mortar. Uniform.
The girls here are fabulously
good-looking. Tanned and
blonde, shirts revealing midriffs. Every
guy here could beat you up. And they all
converge on bars with names like
Snookers, Bullwinkle's and Potbelly's to
burn through "$5 all-you-can-drink specials"
and "free beer for the ladies." The
bars boom with bass that rattles the windows
out of their frames. Their parking
lots overflow with Jeeps and pick-up
trucks with roll bars.
And in the midst of all this brick and
bacchanal banality, sitting on a park bench
next to a fountain, is Isaac Brock—Modest
Mouse mastermind, reported misanthrope,
noted outsider, oft-quoted shit-talker. He is
squat and slightly unkempt, sporting stubble
and a checkered Western shirt rolled at
the sleeves. His pants are too short. He
wears a MedicAlert bracelet on his left
wrist. He's ripping through cigarettes and
talking about his band, their new album
Good News For People Who Love Bad News,
and the near-Herculean ordeal that went
into its creation. And one would think,
given the surroundings and subject matter,
that he could not be more uncomfortable.
"No, I love people. I'm actually terrible
at not being around them," he says,
arms stretched behind his head. "I like living
in cities. When you're alone in the middle
of a nowhere hick town, you drink a lot.
And I don't really approve of that." And
perhaps the magnitude of this statement—
which basically flies in the face of everything
you've ever read about him—is why
Brock trails off, drags on his cigarette and
scratches his head before continuing.
"But, the grass is always greener.
And I'm always standing on a brown
patch."
This seems to be the way it always is
with Isaac Brock. One step forward, two
steps back. He'll tell you that he doesn't
give a shit what people think about him,
his eccentricities, or his drinking. But
when asked about them, he becomes agitated,
shakes his foot like a rattlesnake's
tail, warning you not to get any closer. He
is withdrawn, but really quite friendly,
emoting like Quentin Tarantino at 33 rpm.
Yet he carefully guards his private life—
the source of so many rumors and whispers
—deflecting every inquiry with a
stern "I won't talk about that."
Over the past year-and-a-half, Brock
has lost his longtime drummer, two producers
and very nearly his mind. But
somehow, he emerged from it all in control.
At ease. One thing is certain: On this
park bench, as old men in suits make
their way to church and elaborately
groomed poodles stroll by, Isaac Brock is
happy... kind of.
"A lot of shit fell apart. And I had to
regain my grip," he says. "That was the
trick. I had to fix myself to make everything
work. Did I fix myself completely?
Oh, God no. Is that even possible?" Perhaps the most amazing
thing about Good News For
People Who Love Bad News
is not its sprawling scope,
its all-over-the-place musicianship
or its grab bag of
metaphors. It's not the subtle
studio polishes, flagrantly
bawdy jazzbo excursions
or ragged Deep-South-via-
Hades hoedowns. Nor is it the bipolar
mood swings that populate the disc.
Without a doubt, the most amazing thing
is that the album was even made in the
first place.
"When we first started trying to do
this album, Isaac had the idea to rent a
place in Portland," says bassist Eric Judy.
"And everything went wrong. We were in
the house for four months, and we got
maybe two songs done. It was ridiculous."
And for Judy, that's making a bold
statement. He's been Modest Mouse's
bassist since before anyone can remember,
always playing the silent stalwart to
Brock's mopey maniac. He's endlessly
sweet, rocks a patchy beard and wears
baggy jeans. He's exactly like every kid
who's ever hit you up for change in Little
Five Points or Washington Square Park,
minus the puppy with a hemp necklace.
But more importantly, he's been there since
the band's inception—been privy to Brock's
seismic mood swings—and from the day
the band checked into the Portland house,
he knew something wasn't right.
"We had no reason to be starting to
record," he says. "It was a bad idea. The
whole thing was a bad idea."
Everyone admits that making a
record in a house was just too laid back.
Idle hands, too many friends. But, prepared
or not, Brock had them booked in a
Seattle studio to begin sessions on the
new album. And he had a grand plan:
take two producers, each familiar with
the Mouse (Phil Ek, who had recorded the
band on numerous occasions, and Brian
Deck, who produced the band's last
album, 2000's The Moon And Antarctica),
and let, as he says, "two people who have
good ideas bounce ideas off each other."
But it didn't quite work out that way.
"It was a bad idea, having two producers,"
Judy says. "The producer likes to
be the dude in control, and having two
guys trying to be that sounded like a nightmare."
Adds new and über-tattooed guitarist
Dann Gallucci (who's not really all
that new, since he played on tracks from
Modest Mouse's breakout LP The Lonesome
Crowded West): "Phil and Brian both
agreed to do it, but I think they both agreed
to it hoping something would happen to
the other and they'd be the only one left. I
mean, they produce albums on their own—
they're not the fucking Dust Brothers."
Brock is mum about the whole thing:
"It seemed like a good idea," he says. "It
didn't work out. But I don't want to air
other people's bullshit here."
There was a lot of "bullshit" in that
Seattle studio. The band wasn't prepared.
Two producers grew impatient with the situation
and each other. They both left.
Copious amounts of time and money were
wasted. But then the real shit hit. Jeremy
Green, Modest Mouse's original drummer
and Brock's good friend since he was 13, left
the group. It was the end result of a monthslong
implosion finally brought outward.
"There was this mounting tension
[between Brock and Green]," Gallucci
says. "They were butting heads. Jeremy
was on medication. He was self-medicating
and constantly zoned out. He was not
interested in writing songs."
"He was having a rough time. He
really just lost it all," Judy adds. "He was
going crazy and couldn't focus. He
showed up four hours late for the first day
of recording, and by the second day—in
the middle of recording—he just quit."
This is one of the times during the
interview that Brock rattles his foot the
hardest. He won't look up. He is guarding
a fucking nest of baby rattlers.
"It went wrong. And it was the wrong
time for Jeremy to be playing with us," he
says in paused, diplomatic blurts. "He
had shit to sort out, and I think he has.
And the whole debacle is not on Jeremy.
The morale of everyone was really fucking
low at this point."
(When reached for comment, Green
admitted to having problems: "My medication
was making me freak out," he
said. "I was paranoid. I thought the end of
the world was coming.")
Right here is when most bands
would give up. Green's bouncing-yetsnapping
drums had propelled the group
for years, had buoyed Judy's rolling
basslines and inflated Brock's ragged,
erratic guitars. And now he'd exited,
stage left. And not on good terms.
"I was pissed. Everyone was pissed,"
Gallucci says. "Jeremy started bringing out
all this stuff from the past, stuff about Isaac
and Eric. I just sat there going, ‘I cannot
fucking believe this shit is happening.'"
Without any songs, nor a drummer,
Modest Mouse appeared to be finished.
They limped out of the studio and went
back to their apartments, bars and girlfriends.
It'd been a good run, but it
seemed time to call it a day.
"The idea of Modest Mouse ending
scared me," Brock admits. "Because I didn't
think I'd accomplished what I was meant to
yet. So after a few days Dann and Eric and
I sat down, and talked about everything.
We were like, ‘We're still into this. Let's do
it.' And then I wasn't worried anymore."
The group brought in Helio Sequence
drummer Benjamin Weikel and closed
ranks. Disappeared. Holed up in a
rehearsal space, in one month, in six
marathon sessions, they hammered out
Good News For People Who Love Bad
News. After months of false starts and
meltdowns, the fire had been lit.
"I don't know how we did it. Probably
luck and fate," Judy says. "It was just feeling
really good all of a sudden. There was
a renewed energy."
"Our goal was ‘Fuck everyone,'" Brock
says, his eyes narrowing. "Fuck everyone
who bailed on this project, everyone who
made it hard. This album got made by
determination and vengeance."
Sweet Tea Studio is a painted concrete
house in Oxford, Mississippi.
There's a shelf loaded with votive candles,
rugs on the walls and about six
million vintage amplifiers in the corner.
It's owned by Dennis Herring, and is a
favorite recording spot for ancient blues
heroes like Buddy Guy. And as such, it
seems to make absolutely no sense for
Modest Mouse to record their album
there. But they did anyway.
"It was the best bet to record it with
someone we didn't know, like Dennis,"
Brock says. "And after everything, we
had to get out of the Northwest. Had to go
far away."
But no matter how far away they
went, Brock and the boys couldn't avoid
Sony. At this point, it had been close to
three years since Modest Mouse had
released any new material for the label.
And they were letting Brock know about it.
"We were in breach of contract, and
I suppose someone had to put some
pressure on us," he says. "And at that
point, I didn't know anyone to call at the
label. Didn't know anyone there besides
the art director."
And so Brock entered the pressure
cooker. He frequently worked until 5 a.m.,
tweaking vocals, dubbing guitars, and
generally trying not to freak out. "There
were times I had to leave the studio," he
says. "Cause I was going to kill someone.
Literally. I remember thinking, ‘I'm gonna
kill Dennis Herring. I'm going to do it.' And
I'm standing there with my guitar and my
blood's boiling to the point where I can't
even see straight and I was like, ‘I could
just beat him over the head with this.'"
Judy and Gallucci, who had both
known Brock since their teens, began to
worry about their fragile frontman.
"He's not the most stable guy," Judy
says. "I get worried about him. There had
been [recent] periods where he was definitely
drinking a lot."
"There was a huge amount of pressure
on him," Gallucci adds. "A person
like Isaac, the pressure drives you constantly.
Or it scares the shit out of you and
you clam up."
Even Brock will admit that he feels
this pressure on a daily basis ("I'm going
gray young, dude," he sighs. "And I'm
only 28") but the thing that's changed
about him now—partially because of age,
partially because of the trial-by-fire
process of making this album—is how he
deals with it all.
"I used to drink my fair share," he
says. "Like if I got a good roll going, it'd
be three days. But after everything that's
gone down, I've really been trying to keep
it together.
"And the people I really look up to,
whose lives I admire, don't drink," he
says. "People like Eric. Or Dann, who's
great at moderation."
The fact that he mentions Judy and
Gallucci is telling. More than his bandmates,
they're his confidants. His friends.
And they're more important than anything.
Because be it in a house in
Portland, a studio in Seattle, or a concrete
building in Oxford, they've been there for
him, supported him. Through it all,
they've made him feel in control. At ease.
"I'm never comfortable, not often,"
Brock says. "But I feel comfortable when
I'm with my friends, with my traveling
crew on this tour. That's my family."
And that feeling of happiness shows
up on the new album. Sure, Brock's twin
obsessions—death and the Devil—both
get a lot of screen time, but there are also
tracks like "Float On" and "Black
Cadillacs," moments of unabashed optimism
that cut through the fog. And these
moments can probably be attributed to this
newfound "family." It's like Brock sings on
"One Chance," the penultimate track on
Good News: "My friends, my habits, my
family/ They mean so much to me." Tonight's show is at a club in the
sprawling suburbia outside
Tallahassee. It's small and
smoky, painted black, and crappy
artwork by a local artist is up for
sale on the walls ("Kylie's Gore,"
$200). It's just like every indie
rock venue in America.
Backstage, Isaac Brock is dancing. He
thrusts his pelvis and shakes his arms, an
impromptu boogie he dubs "the sprinkler."
Judy and Gallucci sit on a couch, laughing
uncontrollably. And in keeping with the
family theme, Tom Peloso (a member of the
hillbilly-inspired Hackensaw Boys who
also plays on Modest Mouse's new album)
has brought his parents to see the show.
Their names are Pete and Maureen. They
are super-sweet and speak at great
lengths about the wonders of their RV.
Later that night, Brock and Co. are ripping
through a fierce, focused set. Kids
here already know the words to some of
Good News' more obscure tracks—the
spooky "Bukowski," the claustrophobic
"Satin In A Coffin"—and they sing along
heartily. Brock flails around the stage, spitting
into the microphone and nearly bending
his guitar strings off the fretboard.
And then the stagelights go out.
The band soldiers on, playing in total
darkness. Then the lights pop back on,
and the old Isaac makes a rare appearance.
He screams, "What the fuck was
that?" at a helpless sound guy. He rips the
plug from his guitar, slams it to the
ground, and storms off. Judy and Gallucci
just stand there. They've seen this before.
But after a few tense minutes, the Isaac of
new reemerges from backstage. He plugs
back in and finishes the set.
After the show, after everyone has
gone home, Brock sits alone backstage. He
leans on a cooler and smokes a cigarette.
He's over the whole lights-out debacle.
Why dwell on the negative anymore? And
he seems to notice that he's being watched,
because suddenly he brightens. There's
just one thing he's concerned with now.
"Hey, when this piece comes out,
don't make me look like an asshole," he
begs. "Because I'm tired of being the
asshole."
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